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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #80 on: 19 May 2016, 16:42 »
Jack, why don't you save us all some time and just tell us what the most "controversial" "theory" is that you accept. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if you turned out to be a flat earther.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #81 on: 19 May 2016, 17:26 »
I'm gonna bet it's something like "Vaccines cause autism" but in my heart of hearts, I'm hoping for The Holy Grail.

Come on, Merovingians! The blood of Jesus flows on! Or The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion! The Reptoid Conspiracy!! There are so many more interesting conspiracy theories we could be talking about! Something you could really make adventure games about. It'd be pretty awesome.

It seems that we're working with more Alex Jones caliber stuff than David Icke, though. Which is a shame, I really love lizard people. Those shapeshifting scamps!

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #82 on: 19 May 2016, 17:37 »
The author of the article he linked to boasts about having been referenced by both Icke and Infowars.com, plus he doesn't understand what an RFID chip is, so all bets are off, I guess. ;-D
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #83 on: 19 May 2016, 19:44 »
Since this seems to have turned into a thread that's solely about conspiracy theories (regardless of how stupid they may be), how about this one.
Governments propagate conspiracy theories to both discredit conspiracy theorists, and to distract people from the real conspiracies.
A good example is using a tin foil hat to stop them from reading your mind, because in actual fact, it would amplify signals not dampen them!

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #84 on: 19 May 2016, 20:28 »
And yet it turns out that you are a climate change denier (or anthropogenic climate change skeptic, if you prefer) and do believe fluoridation is harmful, so those snap judgments were completely on the mark. Imagine that!

Harvard Study Confirms Fluoride Reduces Children's IQ

Just google it. How are those snap judgements working out now?

Yeah, your unsubstantiated assertion is not going to cut it here. Also notice that the first part (it's illegal) and the second (it's strictly regulated) contradict each other.

Yeah it's illegal to do it outside of the strict regulatory framework, shouldn't be that hard to work out. So it's wildly impractical for private citizens.

Oh, I can BUY bitcoins to create money, can I? Do you even read what you write?

Bitcoin is a joke. It's sold to morons because the only way it seems like a good idea is in the sales brochure.

I don't want to patronise you, but the problem with conspiratorial thinking is we can't talk about the very real problems of modern capitalism without fluoridation and climate change denial irrelevantly popping in. Conspiratorial thinking prefers explanations which are at a practical level unnecessarily complex and at an emotional level very simple and reassuring. Climate change is a scam - that would be nice wouldn't it? The world is run by evil lizards - well, at least it isn't (to borrow Alan Moore's term) rudderless. The financial system is in the hands of a secret cabal, rather than being full of chaos, conflict and contradiction.

It's true. I could do with flying off the handle in frustration and going off on tangents a lot less. But it's a simple matter to find that most countries are in massive debt to their central bank, banks which are all made up of the same few major shareholder banks. What is that if not a cartel, that controls practically the whole planet's finance? The world of finance is not in chaos, but the most obfuscated field there is. It's simple. The whole system is weighed down by massive debt created by bank profiteering. Derivatives alone can destroy the economy a thousand times over if the bill ever came due. You really think it's a coincidence that only Iceland managed to make any real reforms and arrests for the last bubble, of all the countries on the planet? You really think the people responsible got a bail-out out of sheer rudderless luck?

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #85 on: 19 May 2016, 20:56 »
And yet it turns out that you are a climate change denier (or anthropogenic climate change skeptic, if you prefer) and do believe fluoridation is harmful, so those snap judgments were completely on the mark. Imagine that!

Harvard Study Confirms Fluoride Reduces Children's IQ

Just google it. How are those snap judgements working out now?

I was not debating the merits of the position. I have no expertise or particular knowledge about the health effects of fluoridation, and hence take no position on the matter.

What I said was simply that you can't very well complain that people jump to conclusions about your beliefs when those conclusions are in fact accurate. Reading comprehension much?

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Yeah, your unsubstantiated assertion is not going to cut it here. Also notice that the first part (it's illegal) and the second (it's strictly regulated) contradict each other.

Yeah it's illegal to do it outside of the strict regulatory framework, shouldn't be that hard to work out. So it's wildly impractical for private citizens.

There's a whole industry providing the necessary services for people to become private lenders. If you're in a position to lend money in sums where this regulation becomes relevant, you can afford a lawyer.

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Oh, I can BUY bitcoins to create money, can I? Do you even read what you write?

Yes indeed. By purchasing bitcoins, you are driving up the price and hence the value of the whole "bitcoin reserve": money is being created.

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Bitcoin is a joke. It's sold to morons because the only way it seems like a good idea is in the sales brochure.

Possibly. Possibly there's even a reason for the central bank system. Gasp!

Since you're so keen to make your own money, I'd like to see you do better, though. When can we expect the launch of Jackcoin?

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #86 on: 19 May 2016, 21:49 »
Harvard Study Confirms Fluoride Reduces Children's IQ
A HuffPo article by Mercola...! I'm almost disappointed. Who's next? Mike Adams?
To quote the Harvard study he's citing:
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In conclusion, our results support the possibility of adverse effects of fluoride exposures on children’s neurodevelopment.
In other words, the results don't prove that fluoride doesn't have adverse effects. Which nobody expected them to do anyway.

Mercola is also a 1st grade quack who claims that HIV doesn't cause AIDS (surprise!).

Given the quality of your sources, you should probably get something from here: click
Or maybe this is enough: click
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #87 on: 20 May 2016, 12:41 »
And harvard? Heard of them? As far as western medicine is concerned, It's another case of "we didn't find evidence of this because we didn't look for evidence of this." There's no profit in it.

Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children

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Even though many of the studies on children in China differed in many ways or were incomplete, the authors consider the data compilation and joint analysis an important first step in evaluating the potential risk.

Meaning we've been dumping industrial waste products in your drinking water for several decades and some of us thought we should now find out if it could be harmful.

And since we're cherry-picking from the huffington post article...

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The results suggest that fluoride may be a developmental neurotoxicant that affects brain development at exposures much below those that can cause toxicity in adults ...

You can't even admit you're wrong about one thing. You're pathetic. You would make a terrible scientist, if you didn't already have the job of village idiot.

And all I should do is loan someone $100,000, problem solved? Uh, okay. Thanks, snarky. That's, uh...

I'm sure if my lender reneges I'll get a bail out too, right?

I won't describe the absurdity of being looked down on for having an opinion you admit you know nothing about. You know what? Don't even bother. Leave it to daddy the scientific community, he will protect you. I'm not going to spend another 15 posts trying to explain the immorality of forced medication.

One parting question to all the dipshits who think bitcoin is a good idea simply because those words were repeated to them over and over: What would the energy cost be if bitcoin ever saw mass adoption? What would the effect be on your precious CO² footprint? That's just one of its critical design flaws, available only where cognition exists. Energy wasted for no other reason than you not having the spine to have an idea of your own.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #88 on: 20 May 2016, 13:43 »
Edit: On reflection, some stuff doesn't really belong on the forum. Deleted.

And all I should do is loan someone $100,000, problem solved? Uh, okay. Thanks, snarky. That's, uh...

You've been going on and on about how you're being discriminated against since you can't create money the way banks do it. Talking about "cronyism", a "monopoly" and how it is "illegal" for private individuals to do what the banks are doing to "create money out of thin air". I've demonstrated over and over that this is not true.

If your complaint is only that you don't have $100,000 to lend out... well, cry me a river. That's like complaining that NASA has a "monopoly" on going to the moon because you don't have your own rocket.

One parting question to all the dipshits who think bitcoin is a good idea simply because those words were repeated to them over and over: What would the energy cost be if bitcoin ever saw mass adoption? What would the effect be on your precious CO² footprint? That's just one of its critical design flaws, available only where cognition exists. Energy wasted for no other reason than you not having the spine to have an idea of your own.

Who has been saying Bitcoin is a good idea? I have serious concerns about it and would be reluctant to use it myself. I'm just saying that it disproves central parts of your argument, and that if you're so infuriated by central bank currencies, there is an alternative.
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #89 on: 20 May 2016, 15:37 »
Jack, or may I call you Dr. Mercola?

Quote from: rationalwiki.org
However, if you actually read the paper and look at Table 1, the study compared children in areas with recommended levels of fluoride in water — the same levels that are introduced in the process of water fluoridation (0.5 to 1.5 mg/L) — to children in areas with high fluoride levels (above 1.5 mg/L).[20][21] In other words, and yet again, this paper documents the risks of chronic fluoride toxicity, not water fluoridation.

If you can point out how/why the above isn't true, and how the study showed that water fluoridation is actually harmful, I'll readily change my stance on this.
Let's see if YOU can admit being wrong about something.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #90 on: 21 May 2016, 14:47 »
Anything is toxic in high doses. That's why we call them "high doses".

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #91 on: 25 May 2016, 23:42 »
Damn....Calin...it feels like it's been forever since you posted at the forums or have I just completely missed all activity from you? :D
mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, next to soccer

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #92 on: 26 May 2016, 00:35 »
Wake up! That's not Calin, it's a Government sock-puppet disseminating misinformation.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #93 on: 27 May 2016, 01:47 »
Ahhh that's exactly what i was thinking :-D
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #94 on: 27 May 2016, 02:59 »
Come on guys!

When I come to this thread I come with a jumbo tub of popcorn prepared, and expect at least 3-4 rambling novella-length posts to savor...

Where's the meat?!

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #96 on: 27 May 2016, 10:24 »
Come on guys!

When I come to this thread I come with a jumbo tub of popcorn prepared, and expect at least 3-4 rambling novella-length posts to savor...

Where's the meat?!
We need Jack.
He's the only one who can keep this thread alive.
JACK! Where art thou!

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #97 on: 27 May 2016, 13:32 »
Hopefully finishing the awards client? :-D
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #98 on: 06 Jun 2016, 10:09 »
Come on guys!
When I come to this thread I come with a jumbo tub of popcorn prepared, and expect at least 3-4 rambling novella-length posts to savor...
Where's the meat?!

You crack me up, little buddy!

Grab your popcorn folks! Let’s kick this shit up a notch!


Alternative Knowledge Topic #6
Money Part 2 - Who Funded Hitler?


Seventy years ago the greatest massacre in history began - with financing from the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve System of the United States.



I liked this opening statement so much that I decided to steal it. It’s from an article by Nikolai Starikov, a Russian writer and economics expert, and is complementary to my previous posting where I talked a bit about the central banking system. This posting is primarily a summary of Starikov’s article, which is available to read here. Other sources of information are referenced at the end.


Overview

According to Starikov, the United States and Great Britain (more specifically, the financial and industrial elite of those nations) set out to establish absolute control over Germany’s financial system after WW1. This was part of a post-war strategy to control the politics of Central Europe and ultimately see the rise of Nazism. The central banks were instrumental in achieving this goal. According to Starikov, the implementation of this strategy included the following steps:

  • 1st: 1919-1924 - Preparing the grounds for massive American financial investments in the German economy
  • 2nd: 1924-1929 - Establishing control over the financial system and funding the National-Socialist movement
  • 3rd: 1929-1933 - Inciting and unleashing a deep economic crisis ensuring the Nazis would rise to power
  • 4th: 1933-1939 - Financial cooperation with the Nazi government and support for its expansionist foreign policy, aimed at preparing and unleashing WW2

I have highlighted in red extreme or conspiratorial views that are expressed by Starikov in this posting to help distinguish these statements from the more factual information.


Step 1:
1919-1924


In January 1919, the Paris Peace Conference was held in Versailles to establish the terms of peace following WW1. International bankers were on the scene (or working behind the scenes) and played a dominant role in the creation of the Treaty of Versailles. The infamous treaty put all war guilt on Germany, crippling the nation with enormous war reparations, and ultimately paved the way for another world war! Some key individuals present at the Peace Conference (mostly associated with the Rothschild family) were:

  • Paul Warburg - American banker, architect of the US Federal Reserve System
  • Edward M. House - Rothschild agent
  • Bernard Baruch - Rothschild agent
  • Alfred Milner - Rothschild agent
  • Philip Sassoon - direct descendant of Amschel Rothschild
  • George Mandel - born Jerobeam Rothschild



European countries (primarily the UK and France) owed the US a total of $11 billion in war debts following WW1. The debtor countries, in turn, serviced their war debt using their reparation payments from Germany. The German currency subsequently collapsed.




Step 2:
1924-1929


In 1924, a new project known as the "Dawes Plan" was launched by US banking giant J.P. Morgan and Co. to solve Germany’s financial woes. The project was commissioned by Montagu Norman, the Governor of the Bank of England. Another mind behind the project was Reichbank director Hjalmar Schacht, who played an instrumental role in bringing together the Anglo-American and German financial circles. Schacht later served in Hitler's government as Reichbank president.

      

As a result of the Dawes Plan, Germany was granted $200 million in loans, half of which were provided by Morgan's banks. Although the loans were officially given to Germany to ensure the payment of reparations, in reality, they were designed to restore the country's military-industrial potential. The loans were paid off with shares of German companies, allowing US capital to actively integrate itself into the German economy. As a result, as early as 1929, Germany's industry was second in the world, but to a large extent it was in the hands of America's leading financial-industrial groups. Chemical manufacturer IG Farben, for example, a key component of the German war machine, was under the control of Rockefeller's Standard Oil.

   


Step 3
1929-1933


The Wall Street stock market crash occurred in October 1929. Economists have varying opinions about the cause of the crash, with the US Federal Reserve featuring in some theories, however Starikov does not fence-sit on this point. According to Starikov, the US Federal Reserve deliberately engineered this collapse, which was followed by the third phase of the Anglo-American plans. This is obviously not considered a mainstream view (see Wikipedia’s entry on the Great Depression for mainstream views) but it is consistent within the context of Starikov’s article. I found a couple of postings on some economics forums that seem to support this view:

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What Caused the Wall Street Crash of 1929?

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/76/economics/wall-street-crash-1929/

Peter says:

The instigator of the Wallstreet crash of 1929 was the FED. It was a planned crash. By allowing the people to borrow money to buy stocks and bonds. They even made a new regulation that allowed ordinary people to buy stocks with 90% of the money borrowed. Stock prices already were going up due to the FED money policy that had created a big boom (The roaring 20’s) and everybody wanted to benefit from this so it was no more than natural that ordinary people wanted to get their share of the profit.
In 1929 the FED announced that the money supply should be contracted because of worries for inflation, and as a consequence the banks from which people had borrowed money for stocks requested the money to be paid back.
This is of course not the only reason for the crash, the whole economy of the USA was in a boom because of too much money creation (intentionally)
the 29 crash and ensuing depression has many similarities to the current depression. It is also orcestrated by the central banks, but this is not a surprise because all the minor and mayor crashes after ’29 have been caused by Central Banking overprinting of fiat money. This always creates first booms and then busts.
Nowadays the situation is much more grave then ever because the Western world and most of the rest of the world also for that matter are more or less drowning in borrowed money, too much to pay back. The EU is on the brink of disaster, so is the USA and so are many of the Bric nations

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What caused the 1929 stock market crash?

https://www.khanacademy.org/questions/what-caused-the-1929-stock/kafb_7590643

Tommy Etheredge:

I would say the cause was the Federal Reserve artificially lowering interest rates creating a 'boom' due to everybody borrowing. People borrowed money to invest in commodities, then when the fed raised interest rates it caused severe deflation with a sharp drop in the price of commodities and the stock market. Everybody sold off everything as the dollar grew stronger but there was a big decrease in the money supply so it became hard to expand the economy. That's how I understood the root causes of the great depression

We could have recovered from it much sooner if the government had backed off on spending, FDR's administration did not know proper economics. In 1920 there was a 'great depression' too but no one has ever heard of it. It was caused by the inflation of the money supply due to WW1 if I remember right. It was actually worse than the first year of the real Great Depression in 1929 in terms of unemployment. The government halved spending in 1920, cut taxes, and the Federal reserve stayed out of it and we recovered big time by the next summer. This is what I understand from what I've been learning about economics but you may want to fact check all of this but it gets you started


The Federal Reserve and J.P. Morgan decided to cease lending to Germany, spurring a banking crisis and economic depression in Central Europe. But, in the thick of financial crisis, the Nazi Party was kept afloat thanks to large donations from IG Farben (c/o Rockefeller's Standard Oil) and industrialists like Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen was a German steel and coal baron with business and financial ties to Prescott Bush, President George W. Bush’s grandfather. Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of a number of companies involved with Thyssen. He was director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC), which was a holding company for the Nazis and represented Thyssen's US interests. Bush also worked for Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), a firm that acted as a US base for Thyssen.

   

Note that Bank of England Director Montagu Norman was a former BBH partner, and his intimacy with this firm was essential to his management of the ‘Hitler project’ (Tarpley & Chaitkin, 2004). On 4 January 1932, Montagu Norman met with Hitler and German Chancellor Franz von Papen to reach a secret agreement to secure funding for the Nazi Party.

   


Step 4
1933-1939


  • Hitler refused to continue payment of reparations; neither Britain nor France forced him to pay up.
  • Germany acquired loans from the US and UK totalling $3 billion.
  • August 1934, Rockefeller's Standard Oil purchased 730,000 acres of land in Germany and built large oil refineries that supplied the Nazis with oil.
  • At the same time, the United States secretly provided Germany with the most modern equipment for airplane factories, which would soon produce German aircraft.
  • By 1941, when WW2 was in full-swing, US investment in the German economy totalled $475 million; Standard Oil invested $120 million alone; General Motors — $35 million; ITT — $30 million; and Ford — $17.5 million.


Some references:

Nikolai Starikov, (2010), "The Americans who funded Hitler, Nazis, German economic miracle, and World War II", Oriental Review.
https://www.sott.net/article/298259-The-Americans-who-funded-Hitler-Nazis-German-economic-miracle-and-World-War-II

William Guy Carr, (1958), Chapter 10: "The Treaty of Versailles", in Pawns In The Game.
http://www.lovethetruth.com/books/pawns/10.htm

Kapil De, (2013), "War-Treaty of Versailles 1919", Lies Your Teacher Taught You (blog).
http://lovkap.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/war-treaty-of-versailles-1919.html

Ben Aris & Duncan Campbell, (2004), "How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power", The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, (2004), Chapter 2: "The Hitler Project", in George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography.
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/chapter-2-the-hitler-project/

Author A. Samsonov, (2013), "Who brought Hitler to power", My Future America.
http://myfutureamerica.org/?p=2966
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #99 on: 06 Jun 2016, 10:21 »
Hmmmmm...nothing spectacular there in my opinion: Just sounds like the usual kind of war-profiteering that has gone on for centuries if not thousands of years. Controlled by some far-sighted individuals of course, but I don't really see any massive conspiracy or plan for world domination.